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美版知乎:东京还是上海,你更喜欢哪个城市

Which do you like better, Tokyo or Shanghai? What is your opinion of each?

东京还是上海,你更喜欢哪个?你对他们有什么看法?

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以下是Quora读者的评论:

Eri Oikawa, lived in Tokyo

I’m half Shanghainese half Tokyoite and have lived in both for about half of my life each. (Although I just moved to Vancouver.)

I personally find major flaws in both cities which is why I’m trying to find a better place to live. The biggest flaws for Tokyo is how stressful it is and the biggest flaw for Shanghai is the lack of access to free internet.

In terms of work environment, both can be stressful but I find the formality of Japanese work environments more annoying and stressful. It is also more different from western culture. I feel like there’s more of a choice of how much you work in Shanghai and it’s easier to find jobs as people change jobs all the time. The annoying thing is a lot of the people you work with will quit. However, there’s better labor protection law in Japan despite the more systemic gender discrimination in workplace.

In terms of culture, Shanghai is very materialistic but people are friendlier and it’s easier to make close friends. Shanghai is also more international where you can meet people not just from all over the world but also those who have studied/lived abroad. If you like more down to earth people, it’s easier to find them in Tokyo although I would recommend smaller cities.

The food is a little better in Tokyo but Shanghai has better food delivery systems and much cheaper fruits. (Unless your favourite fruit is strawberry) The bread and cakes are a little better in Tokyo but Shanghai might catch up soon.

The air quality is really bad in Shanghai sometimes but people don’t talk about how it’s not so great in Tokyo most of the time. Perhaps it’s easier to find fresher air in Tokyo if you travel to the mountains.

In terms of cost of living, Shanghai is definitely cheaper as it’s easier to find cheaper labor to exploit. You can also live more on a budget considering how much basic things cost in Tokyo. Shanghai also has a ridiculously cheap public transport system that is pretty reliable. However, if you want things (clothings, makeup, electronics…) with certain quality/design that are sold in both countries, they are usually cheaper in Tokyo. What I’m trying to say is more “expensive” things are cheaper in Tokyo.

In conclusion, I would pick Shanghai over Tokyo if not for the internet but I’m sure there are better cities to live on earth.

我算是一半上海人,一半东京人,在这两个城市生活了大半辈子。(不过我刚搬到温哥华。)

我个人认为这两个城市都有很大的不足,这就是为什么我想找一个更好的地方居住。东京最大的缺点是压力太大,而上海最大的缺点是没有免费的互联网。

在工作环境方面,两者都有压力,但我发现日本工作环境的礼节更令人讨厌、压力山大。它也跟西方文化更不一样。我觉得在上海工作有更多的选择,人们总是换工作,找工作也更容易。但讨厌的是,很多和你一起工作的人会辞职。然而,尽管在工作场所存在更多的制度上的性别歧视,但日本有更好的劳动保护法。

在文化方面,上海非常物质主义,但人们更友好,更容易结交亲密的朋友。上海也更加国际化,在这里你不仅可以遇见来自世界各地的人,还可以遇见在国外学习/生活过的人。如果你更喜欢脚踏实地的人,在东京这样的人更多一些,不过我建议你去小一点的城市。

东京的食物略好一些,但是上海的送餐系统更发达,水果更便宜。(除非你最喜欢的水果是草莓)东京的面包和蛋糕更好吃,但上海可能很快就会赶上来。

上海的空气质量有时真的很差,但大多数时候人们不会承认东京的空气质量一般。在东京,如果去山上旅行,也许更容易呼吸到新鲜空气。

就生活成本而言,上海绝对更便宜,因为那里更容易找到廉价劳动力。考虑到东京的基本生活成本,你也可以更节俭地生活。上海还有非常便宜的公共交通系统,而且非常可靠。但是,如果你想在这两个国家买到有一定质量和设计感的东西(衣服、化妆品、电子产品……),在东京购买通常比较便宜。我想说的是,贵的东西在东京更便宜。

总之,如果没有互联网的因素,我会选择上海而不是东京,但我相信地球上还有更好的城市。

译文来源:三泰虎 http://www.santaihu.com/49206.html 译者:Joyceliu

 

Sara Ying, True Shanghainese

It’s really hard to choose between the two cities, especially since Shanghai and Tokyo have a lot of similarities. But, ultimately I think Shanghai wins for me. It’s more attractive in the sense that it retains much of its culture. When you visit, it’s hard not to bump shoulders with locals and stumble into the living quarters of the working class. Even at the most touristy sites, like Nanjing Road, you will still see really old architecture (for example, my great-grandfather worked in some of the buildings that still stand on that road today). Tokyo also has many cultural sites, but I feel like a lot of it has been “cleaned up” to be viewed by tourists. What you’ll find in Shanghai is raw and unfiltered, a great experience in my opinion

很难在这两个城市之间做出选择,尤其是上海和东京有很多相似之处。但是,最后我还是想选上海。它之所以更有吸引力,是因为它保留了很多自己的文化。即便是在最热门的旅游景点,如南京路,你仍然会看到非常古老的建筑(例如,我的曾祖父曾在一些至今还矗立在那条路上的建筑中工作过)。东京也有很多文化景点,但我觉得很多地方都被“收拾”专供游客参观了。你在上海看到的是原始的、未加修饰的,在我看来是一段很棒的经历。

 

Tony Kim, lived in Tokyo

I’ve lived in Yokohama / Tokyo 8 months and visited Shanghai once a month for one week for 6 years.

For me, Shanghai wins for the following reasons:

The Chinese people are typically cold and not very welcoming until you get to know them. They show true friendship and brotherhood. Japanese are warm and friendly from the start but never goes deeper then pleasantly.

Chinese people welcome you to their home and offer you their couch if u don't have hotel. The Japanese would never go out of their ways for a foreigner

The History and culture. China was ravaged through wars and revolution. Japan was burnt to the ground and rebuilt.

Japan is a copy of New York with some hidden jewels of modern Japan. Shanghai is unique in all of Asia. Glitzy clubs, restaurant along flowing green streets in French concention, sky scrapers make Tokyo look like 2 tier cities all along old Shanghai charm

Shanghai has done a great job to keep it international feel while retaining the old Shanghai

Japanese food is bland and limited. There is so much sushi, katsu and soba you can eat then it's all the same. Very limited. Chinese food …. OMG. Too many to select. After 10 years of traveling to China, I'm still finding new exciting food to enjoy. It's always an adventure in a nice way

Shanghai metro, high speed trains, mag lev and taxi is world class. Ok - the Japanese system is much more punctual but cost very expensive. China / Shanghai infra is much more local friendly and WIDE SCALE.

Tokyo is ALMOST sterile city. It's clean but walk the back streets and it's just like Shanghai

Tokyo almost felt like living in a fake city. Bland and no soul. Everyone walking around doing the 9to5 everyday life in a make up world. Don't get me wrong, visiting there as a tourist for one week is great. I was fascinated with Tokyo till I found the bland life of it.

Shanghai never gets bland. Tokyo’s the runner up to the miss universe competition. Still beautiful, still exotic and cultured but miss Shanghai is the crown winner

我在横滨/东京住了8个月,6年来每个月去上海一次,每次一周。

对我来说,我会把票投给上海,原因如下:

在你了解他们之前,中国人通常都很冷漠,不太热情。但他们会表现出真正的友谊和手足之情。日本人则从见面之初就热情友好,但在那之后就再难发展到更深层次的友情了。

中国人欢迎你去他们家,如果你没有订到酒店,他们愿意让你睡他们家的沙发。日本人永远不会为一个外国人破例。

历史和文化。中国经历了战争和革命的蹂躏。日本被夷为平地,然后重建。

日本是纽约的翻版,隐藏着现代日本的一些瑰宝。上海在整个亚洲是独一无二的。具有法国风情的绿色街道上的炫目酒吧、餐厅,摩天大楼让东京看起来像带有老上海魅力的二线城市。

在保留老上海风情的同时,上海在国际化方面也做得很好。

日本的食物清淡而有限。寿司、木鱼和荞麦面很多,但感觉都是一样的。品类非常有限。中国美食....我的天啊,选择太多了。在中国旅行了10年之后,我仍在寻找令人食指大动的新食物。中国美食从来都是令人满意的探险之旅。

上海的地铁、高铁、磁悬浮和出租车都是世界级的。好吧,日本的系统更准时,但成本非常昂贵。中国/上海中远比上海更友好、更广泛。

东京几乎是个无菌城市。它很干净,但走在小街道时,感觉就跟上海一样。

东京几乎感觉就像生活在一个虚伪的城市。冷漠而没有灵魂。每个人都在一个虚拟的世界里过着朝九晚五的生活。别误会我的意思,以游客的身份去那里玩上一个星期是很不错的。我曾对东京很着迷,直到我发现它的平淡生活。

上海从不乏味。东京是环球小姐大赛的亚军。美丽,充满异国情调和文化,但上海是冠军得主。

 

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