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What do you think of the Chinese movie Wandering Earth?

你觉得中国电影《流浪地球》怎么样?

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Robin Daverman, World traveler

What do you think of the Chinese movie Wandering Earth?

I saw this movie a couple of days ago in Sunnyvale AMC theatre. Highly recommend it.

(ALERT*: the movie is not in English. It’s in Mandarin, with English subtitle, and with maybe 5% of French/Russian/a little bit of English thrown in. So you’ll need to read the English subtitles while watching the movie. OK if you are used to watching foreign-language movies, otherwise it’s a pain. This movie is clearly not intended for the international market.)

I would put it in the same category as Interstellar (film) and The Martian (film). Not a “fairy tales with a futuristic twist” like the Star Wars or the Dune series, or a “daily soap with a futurist twist” like the Star Trek, but a sci-fi epic.

Both the epic scale and the story line are very Chinese! The movie Interstellar is also about earth being no longer inhabitable, so why not find another habitable planet, and let’s organize a team of explorers, and go colonize some place else. The Wandering Earth, with its Chinese cultural background, says, well the sun is dying, so let’s pack up earth and move it to another star system. We’ll build 10,000 “earth engines”, and make a 2500-year plan to move the whole planet. We’ll all work together to make it happen. And when things go wrong, let’s send out a message, and half a million people, in various teams, jumped up to try to fix the problem. The visuals are just stunning.

The story line is also very Chinese. By that I mean, it’s really complicated - a lot of characters, each with individual plots, nested in permutations of micro-plots, further nested in permutations of mini-plots, all round up in the main plot, which was basically, who’d have know Jupiter is so troublesome! Expect to get maybe 60 - 80% of what’s going on in the movie.

Also it’s more of a tear-jerker than I expected. Definitely worth it.

你觉得中国电影《流浪地球》怎么样?

几天前我在森尼维尔AMC剧院看了这部电影。强烈推荐。

注意:这部电影是非英文电影。是中文电影,配了英文字幕,还有大概5%的法语/俄语/一点点英语。所以你看电影的时候需要注意看英文字幕。如果你习惯看外语片那没问题,否则的话很痛苦。这部电影显然不是为国际市场制作的。

我会把它和《星际穿越》和《火星救援》归为一类。跟《星球大战》或《沙丘》系列的“未来主义童话”不同,也不是像《星际迷航》那样的“未来主义日常肥皂剧”,而是一部科幻史诗。

史诗般的规模和故事情节都非常中国化!电影《星际穿越》讲的也是地球不再适合人类居住的,所以为什么不干脆寻找另一个适合居住的星球,让我们组织一队探险者,去其他地方开拓殖民地。以中国文化为背景的《流浪地球》则说,太阳要灭亡了,我们把地球打包,搬到另一个星系去吧。我们要建造10000台“地球发动机”,并制定一个2500年的计划来移动整个地球。我们将共同努力实现这一目标。计划出问题时,让我们发出消息,分散在不同的团队中的50万人,争先恐后地挺身而出,努力解决这个问题。视觉效果简直太棒了。

故事情节也非常中国化。我的意思是,这真的很复杂——很多角色,每个角色都有独立的情节,一个接一个嵌套在小情节线中,进一步嵌套在小情节线中,穿插在主情节中,基本上,谁会知道木星会这么麻烦!

而且,它比我想象的还要催人泪下。绝对值得一看。

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PS: It’s interesting to consider the cultural core of the movie, in the context of the current US-China trade negotiation. When the US trade negotiation team demanded China to stop digital innovation and scrap Made-in-China 2025, do they realize that just like in this movie, when the Chinese government says, guys we need to innovate ’cause you can sell new high-tech stuff for more money, literally millions and millions of ordinary Chinese jumped in, self-organized, and throw all they have onto this innovation goal. Just like this movie - the main actor worked without pay and invested with his own money, the director sold his house, the producer sold his car, … all to make this happen. I mean, how do you stop 1.3 billion people from trying to make the most money, realistically?

PS:在当前中美贸易谈判的背景下,这部电影的文化核心是很有趣的。当美国贸易谈判小组要求中国停止数字创新,他们意识到这部电影,就像中国说,伙计们,我们需要创新就是因为你们可以卖新的高科技,赚更多的钱,数百万普通中国人自告奋勇,自发组织,不顾一切地为创新的目标而努力。就像这部电影一样——主角不拿报酬,用自己的钱投资,导演还卖了房子,制片人卖了车,所有这些都是为了完成这部电影。我的意思是,现实中你如何才能阻止13亿人努力赚最多的钱?

 

Greg Kemnitz, Staff Database Engineer at Fitbit (2018-present)

The good:

1.It did a far better effort in character development than the vast majority of Hollywood SF movies, particularly more recent ones which seem to be targeted at 14 year old video-gamers.

2.The underground city-habs were quite compelling and realistic.

3.Its visuals were solid.

4.It paid lots of homage to classic SF such as Arthur Clarke’s 2001 and 2010 (particularly the evil AI with the secret agenda).

5.I liked how it was a “big” story. Too often, people try to do “entry SF” with low-budget “something nasty happens in a space station” stories. Glad they “went big”.

优点:

1.在角色塑造方面,它比绝大多数好莱坞科幻电影都做得好得多。

2.地下城相当吸人眼球,也很逼真。

3.视觉效果很立体。

4.它向经典科幻小说致敬,比如阿瑟克拉克的《2001》和《2010》。

5.我很喜欢,因为这是一个“宏大”的故事。很多时候,人们试图用低成本的“空间站里发生的一些令人讨厌的事情”来做“入门科幻小说”。很高兴这部电影“很宏大”。

The bad:

1.While you can’t watch SF movies and expect a physics lesson, there were far too many simple mistakes. What’s a “gravity spike”? And why did they need to go anywhere near Jupiter to begin with? Orbital mechanics has been well-understood for 350 years, so Jupiter isn’t going to just “show up” inconveniently. If they were attempting a Gravity assist maneuver using Jupiter’s gravity well - which would actually make sense given what they were doing - why not spend 30 seconds explaining it? Also, there was far too much “falling/flying at 10 meters per second and grabbing something to hard-stop your fall” - not gonna happen. These could be fixed by just having them fall more slowly…

2.There was some bad editing that caused story-flow issues where you were left wondering “what just happened”?

Overall I liked it. I sort of end up measuring much I like or dislike a movie by when I start looking at my watch. I didn’t look at my watch until the credits ran, which doesn’t happen often nowadays.

不足:

1.虽然你不能一边看科幻电影一边学习物理,但电影中有太多简单的错误。什么是“重力峰值”?为什么它们需要一开始就靠近木星呢?轨道力学的研究已经有350年的历史了,所以木星不可能轻易“接近”。如果他们试图利用木星的引力来进行重力辅助机动——考虑到他们正做的事情实际上是有意义的——为什么不花30秒来解释一下呢?而且,有太多的“以每秒10米的速度下降/飞行,抓住一些东西来阻止你的下降”——不可能发生。这些问题可以通过让缓慢下降来解决……

2.有一些糟糕的编辑导致了故事前后延续性的问题,让你忍不住想问“刚刚发生了什么”?

总的来说,我喜欢这部电影。我会根据观影时何时看手表来判断喜不喜欢这部电影,但直到演职人员名单开始在屏幕上滚动,我才看了眼手表,这种情况在我最近看电影时已经很少见了。

 

Dima Vorobiev, Former Soviet propaganda executive

“Wandering Earth” to me is the visual equivalent of a Dostoyevsky novel—if the Russian novelist would magically morph in our days into a CGI-obsessed visual storyteller.

1.The film is firmly rooted in a national storytelling tradition that may appear very alien to Western audiences.

2.The author views the universe as a cold place, totally indifferent to humans and our futile attempts to make sense of it. There’s no God in it, and not even a promise. We’re on own, folks. If we don’t invent good stories for each other, who will?

3.The film revels in side plots totally irrelevant to the main plot.

4.The author finds endless inspiration in inventing endless gravity-defying situations where he can torture the characters in more wicked ways than you can count. No pain, no gain, bro.

5.The author never really cares to explain what drives the characters to madly push for whatever they are pushing for. You’re totally free to figure it out on your own. Or just lean back and enjoy the ride. Which I did.

6.The neurotic outpourings of Dostoyevsky’s dialogues and the messy verbosity of his expositions are matched by the stunning, madly paced movements, collapses, explosions, smashes and other marvels of an arcade game. I got as dizzy from these as from the manic beat of Dostoyevsky’s psychologizing.

7.If you are not one of the annoying hard sci-fi sticklers who spoil everyone’s fun obsessing with the inconsistency of a story with the three laws of thermodynamics, the film creates a universe that visually sucks you in. Think whatever you may about Dostoyevsky, but he knew how to achieve the same immersion in a matter of a few pages.

It’s an awesome movie. You should watch it.

译文来源:三泰虎  http://www.santaihu.com/47530.html  译者:Joyceliu

对我来说,《流浪地球》在视觉上就像陀思妥耶夫斯基的小说—如果这位俄罗斯小说家能在我们那个时代神奇地变成痴迷于电脑图像的视觉说书人的话。

1.这部电影深深扎根于一个国家的叙事传统,这可能会让西方观众觉得非常陌生。

2.作者认为宇宙是一个寒冷的地方,对人类完全漠不关心,我们想要理解简直就是徒劳。电影里没有上帝,也没有承诺。伙计们,我们只能靠自己理解了。如果我们不为彼此编造好故事,谁能做到呢?

3.这部电影沉迷于与主要情节完全无关的次要情节。

4.作者在创造出无数违背地心引力的场景中找到了无尽的灵感,在这些场景中,他可以用你数不清的邪恶方式折磨角色。没有付出就没有收获,兄弟。

5.作者从未真正想过解释是什么让各个角色疯狂地追求他们所追求的东西。你完全可以自己想出来。或者只是靠在椅背上享受这段旅程。我就是这么做的。

6.陀思妥耶夫斯基神经质的对话和凌乱冗长的论述,与之相匹配的是街机游戏中令人惊叹的、节奏疯狂的动作、崩溃、爆炸、撞车和其他奇迹。这些让我头晕目眩,就像陀思妥耶夫斯基的《心理学》那种狂躁的节拍一样。

7.如果你不是那种个讨厌的、冷酷的科幻爱好者,不会因为一个故事与热力学三定律的不一致而破坏每个人的观影乐趣,那么这部电影创造了一个在视觉上很吸引人的宇宙。不管你怎么想陀思妥耶夫斯基,但他知道如何能用几页纸达到同样的沉浸感。

这是一部很棒的电影。你应该去看看。

 

Michael Ahn, Aspiring High Schooler, Superhero Fan, Violinist

I haven’t watched it yet, but I know it’s going to be epic.

I’ve read the book version!

Wait what? There’s a book version?

Yes! There’s a book version!

我还没看过这部电影,但我知道它会是一部史诗级作品。

我已经读过这本书了!

什么,你说什么?有书?

是的!有书!

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And it was an amazing book!

But, I am sort of biased though. I really just enjoy science fiction literature in general.

But this one was actually good!

Fun fact: it was written by Cixin Liu.

Okay, you’ve probably never heard of him, but he’s an amazing Chinese science fiction writer. His books have all been pretty amazing so far.

Although The Wandering Earth isn’t a part of it, I especially loved his epic sci-fi series, The Remembrance of the Earth’s Past.

Consisting of three novels, The Three Body Problem, The Dark Forest Theory, and Death’s End, this series did an excellent job in expanding upon the cliched “alien invasion” trope.

Yes, the entire series was basically about an alien invasion, but it was so unique and well-crafted. For example, humans never even meet the aliens, not even a single time, in the entire series! Humanity’s greatest enemy has always humanity itself.

Yea.… It was honestly so unique and amazing.

Apparently, Barack Obama thinks so too.

这是一本很棒的书!

但是,我有点偏见。我就是喜欢科幻小说。

但这部电影真的很棒!

有趣的事实:它的作者是刘慈欣。

好吧,你可能从来没有听说过他,但他是一个了不起的中国科幻作家。到目前为止,他写的书都非常棒。

虽然《流浪地球》不是其中的一部分,但我特别喜欢他的史诗科幻系列《地球往事》。

这部由三部小说《三体》、《黑暗森林》和《死神永生》组成的系列小说,在扩展老套的“外星人入侵”比喻方面做得非常出色。

是的,整个系列基本上是关于外星人入侵的,但它非常的独特、情节精良。例如,在整个系列中,人类甚至从未见过外星人,一次也没有!人类最大的敌人总是人类自己。

是的。老实说,它是如此独特和令人惊奇。

显然,巴拉克•奥巴马也这么认为。

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